They rip the rug from under you every other day. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. Its pretty rare. Thank you very much. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Who cares? His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. The aspects of the composite Moon will show how effectively they deal with the energies. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). P.S. Im from a country in southamerica. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. So sad! Im a Pisces sun 7house. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. You can have opportunities to let go and move on from the past, and you can explore your inner worlds . thank you for post! Id appreciate any information. In the ninth house, it may indicate some crisis to do with spiritual teaching. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. Im sorry to hear your story. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. 50 is also the average age of menopause and beginning of. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) Another spin given to the 12th house . I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Posts: 28 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014: posted January 23, 2014 08:42 PM Hi, . Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. venus+mars, etc. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. Thanks Dawn! Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. It also works the other way. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. thanks Dawn for your reply. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Chiron in the houses will show where your sign is expressed, including the location, the part of the psyche, the timeline, etc. . And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. We fall, and find the world. I was heart broken all over again. VERY-VERY SORRY! I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. cheers:). Or ? Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Do you think that is true? Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. RUN ? I dont know whether this situation is karma? Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. She was in the birth canal waaaay too long. It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). intresting to know why its so bad. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. Thank you for this series of articles! etc. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. He knows me better than I know myself at times. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. So to me, it's all about commitment issues. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Hello dawn And I learned a lot too. Jul 28, 2011. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. Lots of greetings from Serbia. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. Talking about Fate! . Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. I don know what to do. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. This might lead to a sense of belonging and having a lot of things in common. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Your email address will not be published. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. Thank you. What do You think about Davison Chart? Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. Hi Daw Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. venus all in the 12th house. Thats for start. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. Chiron in 12th House . I read your article and its really touching! I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad Just not what I wanted to hear. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. It isnt bad, its difficult. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. how this would manifest? Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. I need all the help to understand I can get. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. When we split up I cried every day for a month. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. Chiron in 3rd or 9th house in composite chart: This relationship . we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. What do you think? Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. oh gosh do not i know this! The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Lovely article. Sense of self and feeling of completeness comes from your identification with the Divine. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. My english is not very good. scares me a bit. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. How that manifests depends on other aspects. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. Well it is a living hell right now! Any advice would be helpful. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). Most of it is illusions I know.. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Greetings. Weve known each other for a decade??? I f these planets and points are emphasized in the synastry chart, chances are that you have dealt with each other before. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. 4 months passed since then. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. what can we do here? Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus.
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