Besides getting some serious trigger time in, he has these games you play as a group that make you think and shoot at the same time. Oct 13, 2021 #1 In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves and Johnny B go to Thunder Ranch to take the Combat Shotgun course from Clint Smith and Jack Daniel. If things are so bad that that there is no commerce, no industry, no civilization at all it means that the earth is a molten slag that got hit by a giant meteoroid. The Clint Smith Signature Government Model, Judge Rules Cell Phone Not a Deadly Weapon, Denies Stand Your Ground Defense in Florida Theater Shooting Trial, Wisconsin Supreme Court: City Cant Ban Weapons from Buses, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, The New Henry Big Boy Revolvers at NRA Show 2023 [VIDEO], http://en.tracesofwar.com/article/20892/F%FChrer-Headquarters-Adlerhorst.htm. You need to do it consistently and repeatedly so you can do it under duress. The Police buy a ton of Glocks really cheap. Only 15 year old FPS heroes should think that. I dont care how much money you have in your AK or SCAR or Bren 805 or FAL or G3 or M1A, or whatever, your main rifle SHOULD BE an AR15 in 5.56 NATO(NOT .223 Rem, NOT .223 Wylde because a milspec NATO chamber feeds the widest range of ammo). said my cheap glock is just as effective and i can buy 15 more guns with money saved. Once again, the salient point is that the agreed upon definition of pukes in its own mouth, err, direct impingement includes the firing gas acting upon a carrier/block/whatevs. Most revolver cartridges, including 38 Special, are designed for long barrels and lose a higher percentage of their energy than a automatic when barrel length falls below the reference length. Being everybody exaggerates, we can safely cut that back one half or more. Caliber war? Absolutely! Thin-line VZ Diamondback stock panels Maybe its just the way my mind works; form follows function, not the other way around. Building an AR-15 is not hard. Q:What are your goals going forward, or goals for Thunder Ranch?A:I need to love my wife, take care of my dogs, defend my country, take care of my health and I have no foreseeable goal to retire. ", "Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. We were very old guys, like 18, 19 and 20, and our Vietnamese counterparts, with the exception of their officer, were 15, 16 and 17, and as soon as they turned 18 they were automatically taken into the ARVN army (Army of the Republic of Vietnam). I did that for 10 years, and in the latter two years I was a student at Gunsite with Mr. Jeff Cooperwere talking 1978-79. As long as you dont go to far off the Mill spec reservation All you really need is a good YT video and a few special punches, an armors tool and bench vice to assemble an AR. And at any rate, if TSHTF, you must be prepared and set up to load your own! The only Clint I give two shits about is Clint Eastwood. I was an M79 grenadier, so I used a 40 mm grenade launcher and was issued an M1911 pistol. No do overs, indeed. This. Im kinda baffled on that one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsadler, I should have remembered that from Band of Brothers. Its a viable Meanwhile factory guns of any quality are dialed in and just work. The stainless barrel bushing on a blued barrel/slide/frame Im not so sure about the visual appearance of that Im going to go off and think about that. He is one of the most interesting men Ive ever met. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' Split the difference. the AK 15 passed trials and will be issued WITH the AK 12 and a new RPK chambered in. Okay? The 1911 is still viable as a self defense tool. Comments? In 83 I started my own business, ITC, International Training Consultants, and worked on the road from 1983 to 1993, and the only exception was in 1986 worked for one year setting up the training division for HK America. Q:Any advice for new shooters?A:Its actually three words: practice, practice, practice. With over 40 years of teaching people to stay alive in a harsh world Clint Smith, director of Thunder Ranch, Inc. and International Training Consultants, has seen allot of guns come though his schools. Your house is a sieve against projectiles fired by modern-day weapons. The AR, OTOH, is not cheap to build, took several design changes to become reliable, and is more labor- and parts-intensive to maintain. He must piss off a lot of people. And the AR15 is the standard, end of story. In an apocalyptic circumstance, I will die soon enough that all this prepping is an exercise in futility. An 1873 Colt with the chamber under the hammer full of blood pressure meds. 2. That doesnt make it bad, dont get me wrong. Time to assess your role as a citizen. ", "You cannot save the planet. If you're not loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick. I have a good plan to get out of the suburbs into the country well before its too late and multiple friends with extra temporary living space and extra long arms, and if the time comes that I need a rifle well before then, there will be plenty of common (AR or AK) rifles in common calibers around to acquire/steal/take/etc. To be more specific, my 13 year old just finished our first AR build together. Learning different guns is a good idea. .233/5.56 are completely viable rounds. Now I need to think about where to transfer them tomorrow. Jim Smith of Spartan Tactical Carries a Sphinx, a CZ clone. So having the tools and experience to actually change out parts on your rifle is not a bad skill. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun 22LR J-Frame Also, if you like dogs youre probably a nazi. Well that works a whole heck of a lot better if youve built a few rifles so you know how they go together. ), I think 100s of mags is overkill, but Im just a dumbass civilian that works a bluecolar job. Nothing in this website should be considered personal legal advice. Hell, even were a para cord bracelet sometimes. They need to be managed. Piles of .223 all over the place? Bad Schtuff tends to happen at night, and we are accountable for where very round goes. During the summer I had the opportunity to visit Clint and Heidi Smith at their Thunder Ranch training facility in Oregon for the unveiling of the Nighthawk I carry a revolver. My gently used, $400.00 G17 will kill an asshole just as dead as a $10,000 whatever. When the apocalypse the be TEN f*ckload of 7.6239 lying around. So, an old curmudgeonly gun guy with an abrasive attitude and no shortages of opinions. Some even shoot well in just a few rounds. It would be that there is more and wider interest in the AR platform, period, and especially in building and modifying them. But our county, Allen County, Indiana, was the first county in Indiana to go to auto pistols, and thats because I took my deputy chief to Gunsite, we took off our revolvers, put on our auto pistols and took the class. Hand-cut 30lpi checkering front and rear This isnt going to be US army vs Russian army conventional warfare unless you are an idiot. The entire package retails for less than $1,200. Smith & Wesson also offered the .44 Special in a 5-shot Model 696 L-frame along with a Model 296 lightweight five-shooter. First, I agree on the viability of the .223 round. Q:Ive got a classic question that the American Riflemanaudience will appreciate: What is your favorite firearm?A:Thats easy, no brainer, the M1 Carbine. Spend your life using a tool and an AR is no where near the challenge setting the vale lash or run out on a ring and pinon, BTW If you dont have any idea about later then maybe youd be better off buying yours until you have built something that is mechanically challenging before you attempt assembling an AR. The final weapon is the brain. To stay up to date with the website, hit that subscribe button. A tactical tiger with a load bearing rig can handily carry all your extra ammo, spare minigun barrels, and beer. Which is why my current vehicle is a mundane, grey, 18-year-old Expedition XLT. This culminated in the founding of I think people should still build their own ARs because that will enhance their familiarity with the platform and theyll be able to run them better regardless if its a custom or one that salvaged from an abandoned armory. A gun that you cant easily find parts and ammo for will very quickly become a paper weight. And, no, I dont have an AR. I was in the Marine Corps, but I went to the Army language institute in Monterrey [Calif.]. This philosophy carries through into my work and it is my pleasure to individually handcraft each pistol that will be built as part of this special limited run of guns. Ill throw in my two cents here, which is probably more than my opinion is worth. Fuck me right? Captain Thunderpants has nothing but contempt for people who dismiss .223 as a viable cartridge. I would expect no less. He allowed me to grow, and he allowed me to grow inside something that was also growing. The jokes on him. And strip one for spare parts also seemed to be an important concept. Remember, this was before social media and all that kind of stuff. Im with Idaho Boy on this one. Precision has been in business since 1999. Hell, its even got the rings on it. Everyone chipped in, in the span of four years there were more than 6 million made. ", "If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. I can do without tornadoes and hurricanes, and you couldnt pay me enough to get me to live where those disasters tend to happen. Whats the problem with that? Because when the SHTF, those helpful youtube videos may not be available. But for the rest of us, maybe a rifle and a full kit of parts? I took Vietnamese, a southern dialect, and I went to Vietnam. Not having taken a class from him, Im in no position to comment on the fighting techniques he teaches. Everyone wants to put a TV screen (red-dot optic) on their gun now, and Ive got no problem with that, were going to start training with them here so we can do a great job on that, but no TV screen is going to compensate for yanking on the trigger. Interior Dept. But they are just one category of tools (and toys). I started that class, by that name, in 1983. Thats why high speed low drag operators, such as my self, have tigers. Exactly what does Thunder Pants think TEOTWAWKI is going to look like? Most guys I know that build their own have quite a few extra parts laying around. They all work fine. 100 loaded mags? Then run it. We respect your privacy and your email address will be kept confidential. . Feed your kids. The first is my sheriff, whos passed now, his name was Charles Meeks and he provided me the opportunity to get training and to expand the training program that we had. If Clint says it works, Ill take his word for it. Three of each gun?! Shop for your 22 ammo too! I believe he has good advice but it is still advice. If someone comes up to me on the street and asks What does your logo mean? I tell them, for one, all the cool animals were taken, all the birds and dragons and everything. A recoil-operated semi-automatic pistol, chambered in either .45 ACP or 9 mm Luger, the Combat Special is a blending of Smiths old-school grit with the old-world A hurricane is a your EDC pistol will do just fine scenario, not a Im going to expend tens of thousands of rounds of ammo scenario. But we do know that the AK platform is not the most accurate when accuracy counts. Theres a reason for that), This may have something to do with the whole Gun Jesus thing: I own both an AK and AR, 1911 and glock. After the FBI shooting [in Miami] Ive taught more Urban Rifle classes than any of the other types of classes, combinedlike if you take of all of the different pistol classes we teach and put them together, Ive taught more Urban Rifle classes. If nothing else . Or what parts are more important than others. +43 cookies to you. . Clint Smith ofThunder Ranch is a gun guru extraordinaire. Voting is still your best defense. member and precision rifleman. The design actually kinda sucks, but its too damn late to change it now. Im not saying that war is great, but it was a common enemy at that time. Clint Smith aint him. They arent Wankels, waves, or any of the dozens of other engine designs out there theyre just a standard ICE piston engine with some small modifications, and fully fit the definition of piston engine despite their minor digression from the accepted norm. Granted, the .308/7.6251 is a lot less punishing than .30 M2 Ball, 7.62x54R, or 8mm Mauser. The Rifle Dynamics Limited Edition Thunder Ranch RD700 pistol retails for $3,250. Q:Any story behind the name?A:Thunder Ranch? A US Palm reinforced magazine, A2 brake and Thunder Ranch two-point sling round out the rifles features. You can reliably hunt most big game animals in North America. However, keeping a spare parts kit or two around to keep all three running would be better. Nick: The AR may be more prone to breakdown than your precious AK, but at least my rifle can actually hit the target.. Most will never encounter what these fear mongers say to buy. its a showing off item, because he can, he can shoot anything well, so choose what makes him feel good. Therell be bucket loads of that laying around too. He suggested a Remington Model 700 action in .308 Winchester, with a 20- to 24-inch barrel. To quote George Carlin, Fuck me? Fuck me? Dont we already have chaos? Everybody laughs at this, but we were actually winning the hearts and minds of these people. WebClint Smith, President and Director of Thunder Ranch, is a Marine Corps veteran of two infantry and Combined Action Platoon tours in Vietnam. Yes, every once in a while you get lucky and purchase a Yenko Mustang, but that is the exception, not the rule. Smith Gunnery Sergeant Hartman for civilians goes on to list an AR-15s owners two greatest enemies . COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. You guys realize hes convincing everyone else to carry this stuff in anticipation that WE will be killed and HE can scavenge our stuff. Made from premium-grade, vegetable-tanned leather, the Burdette Custom Holsters Detective SA-35 holster is a custom outside-the-waistband (OWB) model for the Springfield Armory SA-35 semi-automatic pistol. A Jason Burton custom 1911 built on a co-branded Colt Series 70 pistol. You just end up wasting a lot of energy because the bullet exited the barrel before the propulsive force is fully expended. And again, I got to grow, I was allowed to grow inside a box. But i do shoot a Kimber 1911 very well. When I first went to Gunsite, there was only the South Range and the Funhouse. I live in a largish and fairly homogeneous town; rioting is extremely unlikely. It functions, but my next one will be good, not just functional. If you know of a gun quote from Mr. Smith not listed here, send it to us. I want to teach a class a week after Im dead. I generally liked what he had to say. That way, you know your rifle, its parts, how its built and functions. It still shoots sweet! Rear sight modified for one-handed operations did not say it was not good defense firearm. . No matter how many mags, they should all be loaded though. If its that bad that were needing that amount of ammo, youre really only going to be able to take what you can fit in a vehicle or two, and youre going to need more than just ammo at that point. Kart match grade barrel with stainless barrel bushing Waiting for the video to load doesnt count towards your time. Big Bill About more parts for ARs than for AKs being available at gun shows, the MAIN reason for that would not be your point. I thought of it being an 80% build. Just layin around? lucky genetics. (head down, hands in pockets and dragging feet) I guess Ill just have to stick with my XDS and make do. Call it direct inpingement or not, the bolt inside carrier does work as a piston. See how this works? I need to love my wife, take care of my dogs, defend my country, take care of my health and I have no foreseeable goal to retire. So we basically stayed in a village and worked with the Vietnamese soldiers. I may get killed with my own gun, but he's gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it's gonna be empty. Its like buying a second car to have the parts to fix the first one. I guess if one really has to keep up appearances, that would be a way to do it Im guessing he probably didnt pay north of $10K for it, either two companies that make extraordinary products tend to combine to make extremely extraordinarily priced items. Sowhat is my sincere, heartfelt recommendation? Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). Tried a Glock, did not like it, could not shoot it well and stove piped all the time. Last I checked, the definition of DI included operating the carrier. Because Im more of a form follows function guy, that colors what I buy. with Surefire Muzzle Brake/Adaptor Barrel Type Bartlein Stainless Steel 5R rifling GAP #6 Contour (GAP Marksman/Varmint) 1:10" twist rate twist rate Standard Threaded The G.A. Both the AR and the AK work extremely well for their intended role. Mainstream preppers have action movies, video games, and zombies in mind. I was asked at the end of 79 to become the operations manager at Gunsite, which I did for three years, 80 to 83. I think it is a great way to learn every part of your rifle, and if something breaks you know how to fix it. Thats a bit much. Yes, there are a lot of you that prefer 9 mm. But this gave us the opportunity to step out on our own. Whats your experience? That Glock employee that writes ads for them called magazine articles? I really dont get a ten grand handgun of any stripe, barring the extraordinarily rare or the extremely enhanced/decorated, in which case youre paying for the engravers painstaking time and skill. And that translates to any other AR you may come across from battle field pickup, to a friends rifle. Please feel free to drop a comment. The forward assist (Why would I beat something into the chamber that dont want to go on its own) and the charging handle (Any time you dick My first real pistol, in Vietnam, was a 1911. Smith & Wesson sells the PERFORMANCE CENTER Model 325 Thunder Ranch: a matte black .45-caliber Scandium-framed revolver, complete with a gold bead sight and undersnout picatinny rail (not shown for some reason). That bad boy msrps at an eye-watering $1,329.00. As for the price of Mr. Smiths carry gun, if you have to ask you cant afford it. In law enforcement, people only attend training because they are required too, but [Gunsite] was the first environment where I saw people that really did want to learn. Clint and Heidi Smith were generous enough to let TFBTV use Thunder Ranch for free to film this series in order to get the word out at no cost to any of our viewers on how to select and use an urban rifle. ", Complete Legal Protection for Armed Self Defense - Read This. I departed the military in September of 2015. Honestly I would go with an AR in 7.6239. . Clint taps into ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. From his Oregon Eagles Nest (Im Jewish, dont judge), Whats the issue with Jews and eagle nests? Its simple. Clowns who say use .223 because there will be tons lying around after TEOTWAWKI are idiots. And ammo is still plentiful. And if it does, a primitive pimple on the ass of your attackers wont be enough. Then again, it might be simpler just to screw-up Kermits voice box, give him an AR or three, and a hundred loaded magazines. And, Im positive, the vast majority of ARs do. The sight is the last visual control over the projectile, the trigger is the last physical control. The CZ SP-01 Shadow wins most of the IPSC competitions for good reason. WebM4E1 TR EDITION. YT is full of AK vids at 300M+. Center of mass, perp is down. But I dont plan on shooting every round from the gun, I just plan to shoot one round at a time until I solve the problem.Additional Reading:Nighthawk Custom Thunder Ranch 1911 Pistol. Novice to deadly competent with good training in under 1,000 rounds. @ 16V No need to be so salty, but I think he was referring to Ian McCollum, head of Forgotten Weapons on youtube and full30.com, since he usually sports a long flowing beard and hair, hence gun Jesus. 3. Gosh. I would agree, if the marketplace agreed with you. My familys business, or trade so to speak, was law enforcementmy dad, my brother, my uncle. . Thats what makes it part of a well rounded hobby. Dont know who Clint Smith is and dont give a rats ass what he carries. If it doesnt exist, create it. So will my $700 Milspec. [], By Drew BryantAugust 16th, 2022, theloadoutblog.com. ", "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way. Someones never seen hurricane damage at ground level. And thesurveysays! It just keeps working. Not in my house. My wife doesnt walk, so Im not heading to the hills anyway, just going to hunker down here until the drugs or the food runs outor both. Clint Smith is the Director of Thunder Ranch 1 in Oregon, where he teaches firearm tactics, self-defense and freely gives his opinions on a variety of topics. I was deployed twice during my time in. I like Clint and he has good advise, but I still take the things he says with a dose of this isnt Syria and Im not wealthy.. And if Mr. Smith is saying .223 is the one cartridge to rule them all rifle-wise, whats with that ammo arranged in front of him? The mail-in idea will result in votes tabulated in favor of whomever. These guns are an investment in quality as well as the linage of pistol craft witheach example accompanied by a numbered build sheet signed by Clint Smith and Jason Burton and bearing both the Thunder Ranch and Heirloom Precision logos. New bosssame as the old boss. The .38 Smith & Wesson Special, designed in 1898, rocked the handgun realm with its ballistic performance making it a cartridge for the history books. ", "A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. By any chance does it also say to you Move somewhere where there arent any freaking hurricanes?. In the video below, gravel-voiced Thunder Ranch gun guru Clint Smith (not shown above) pontificates on a number of gunfighting topics at a recent rifle course. After reminding his acolytes that they need to be able to pick up and run firearms discarded on the battlefield, Mr. Smith goes there. The caliber war, I mean. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. Since that time Clint has been an invaluable mentor and friend who has helped shape my philosophy on carry guns and gear. I was in Golf Company while in 2/4. 100 magazines loaded? Neither the chinese nor russians use 7.6239.. You are right i guess the AK 15 the possible replacement for the AK 103 (7.6239) for the Russians and the Type 56, 81 for the Chinese dont exist. Buy a top shelf AR and a decent boltgun in a larger caliber. Once those factors are met, then the philosophy of the designers (dictated by the government) starts to enter the design. Some families, you know, dont have guns. ", "The two most important rules in a gunfight are: always cheat and always win. Everybodys got something to worry about. And I even messed up some of the milling on my 80%. Parting one out to keep the other two running isnt the worst idea in the world. WebShop for 22 long rifle pistols and revolvers from top brands like Beretta, Browning, Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, and more. I have several rifles that shoot the 7.6239, and dont want to have to stock another caliber. I want to create a hub of reliable, cohesive, and relevant material for today's shooter. Plus its not hard and they work just fine. And with the rapid reloaders now available, perhaps 25 at a time would be reasonable with cycling them to unloaded status while another 25 are loaded. Works the same for guns. +1 on building an AR. you guessed it 5.45. Smith & Wesson sells the PERFORMANCE CENTER Model 325 Thunder Ranch: a matte black .45-caliber Scandium-framed revolver, complete with a gold bead sight and undersnout picatinny rail (not shown for some reason). http://en.tracesofwar.com/article/20892/F%FChrer-Headquarters-Adlerhorst.htm. Get a parts kit for the parts that are most likely to fail; I understand that. How long you live depends on how well you do it. Thin-line VZ Diamondback stock panels (ivory stocks optional). To wrap it all up the pistol comes with a standard safety lever. In this excerpt from arguably the best shotgun course in the country, TFBTV - Combat Shotgun Basics with Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch As it is, buying a high end firearm that just goes up in value, makes a lot more sense than many people that buy a new automobile or truck that loses most of its value within 5 to 7 years. So, an old curmudgeonly gun guy with an abrasive attitude and no shortages of opinions carries a 1911. But my first reaction was, No light, no light rail, and no RMR. Q:On your journey in firearms training, was there anyone in particular who left a lasting impression on you?A:There are two. Ummm, for those of us that dont create the kind resources that Clint Smith does with his training facility, Im sure a $10,000 dollar carry gun doesnt make much sense, but if you or I were making probably at least a six figure income, like Clint does, it probably would be different. Its just like, as you know, I dont have a stopwatch on my range. And you really dont want to screw up and get razzed by your class mates. It is all a matter of degrees. PODCAST: Courts Rule Against Columbus and the ATF, Plus How to Stay Out of Jail After Self-Defense, An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power, Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals rules against ATF bump stock rule, U.S. ALL of Clints advice is based on Murphys law, and therefore its all GOOD ADVICE. A lot of his students are LEO/military orgs. But buying a second to have spare parts is, IMO, overkill. ", "I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy. Pistol Width: 1.30" Slide Width: 0.92" Grip Thickness: Regular; Weight Empty: 41.3 Oz; Savage Arms Impulse Elite Precision Rifle: New for 2022. If you have any suggestions, ideas, or comments. WebAction Finish Metal Finish: Matte Cerakote, Black Stock Finish: Dipped, Multicam Barrel Length 18 in. ", "You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. We were in Texas from 1993 to 2004. It can be upgraded to the Krebs Custom enhanced safety lever or a lever with Rifle Dynamics safety stud. '", "When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away. I have no regrets in doing so, but it still stung to do it. In the video below, gravel-voiced Thunder Ranch gun guru Clint Smith (not shown above) pontificates on a number of gunfighting topics at a recent rifle course. Knowledge such as this cant help but draw to conclusions so when it was time to have a new 1911 crafted the configuration was an easy choice; an all steel 5 Government Model chambered in 45ACP. The gravelly voiced trainer is famous for his take-no-prisoners take on armed self-defense. Eagle meat is never kosher because of the arrangement of the talons. It sucks at everything except punching through a sheet steel helmet at 600 meters, which is what it was actually designed to do. Uncle Adolf commanded his Riech from a castle nicknamed the Eagles nest a top a mountain in Bavaria for much of The War. The new Thunder Ranch RD700 pistol is chambered in 7.62x39mm with a 12.5 barrel with a 1/228 thread pitch. If all that is wiped away, you got bigger problems on your hands than can be solved by an AR and some MREs. On the drive home he said this (semi-automatic pistols) is what were going to do.
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