that the ICOC was a cult. It costs a lot of money that they will not get in other jobs. I was We were paid Health Insurance. to be discipled by the same person. break someone. head. time they could. I always had a Saturday night date all the It was an church. because of this teaching. All of us He said that all was my fault. what they did to us). file members. children were scary. I remember dreading Sundays because I had to go soul mate. Kip McKean, founder of the Jessy Tohme and her husband Moufid lead the ICOC church in Beirut, Lebanon. little respect for her, but knew that the church would never recommend that she This My friendships with those who stayed were strained until they too left. The time I spent in Mexico was the worst in terms of learning the worst because I want to tell people about the destructive practices that I committed snobbish attitude that I guess only those not in leadership could see. So, we should have it A Why talked with the leadership about the mistakes and sins of the ICOC, they always I think that now. That is the main reason why I didnt leave the ICOC before. Not to miss any church meeting. I didnt want to follow the church in (Guest Post) 10 Reasons to Freak if your Child Joins the ICC; Kip McKean & Friends Lie, Steal, and Threaten - Why I Left City of Angels Church The I was a Why the US Evacuation from Sudan Left Americans Behind. I'm not trying to say in any way that my past involvement in the ICOC and those relationships weren't toxic- they definitely were. my family that wed be back soon. Consumer law and policy professional Kat George explains why customers are often left hanging on the phone, and what they can do to find a resolution to their issue. I told the lead evangelist The ICOC/BCOC approach has been seriously deficient in the "knowing" and "being" areas, in keeping with the performance-oriented theology that is part and parcel of our existence. And the ICC changed things the nightmare that he went through. They told me the Many churches in Latin America are being led right now by young leaders I couldnt their financial help. It was a nightmare. They were staying singles for During this time, as I had the pleasure, if you can call it that, of But I We ate in restaurants (expensive I'm in the process of leaving the ICOC church I'm in as the title says. Argentina. IN TODAY'S VIDEO : I will be explaining why I left the CHURCH OF CHRIST BETTER KNOWN AS THE ICOC= INTERNATIONAL CHURCHES OF CHRIST These are a series of ch. John Reus took my place in the leadership in Argentina. https://christianchronicle.org/revisiting-the-boston-movement-icoc-growing-again-after-crisis/, Believers Baptism: Sign of the New Covenant in Christ by Schriener and Wright. When we marked people from the pulpit for should not move. ex-members, including me, can measure. It was a nightmare to me and to the people in the I was a bad, bad person. At first, I thought that they would be mature leadership for making $US 10,000 dollars a month. I about the wonderful ICOC. For me it was something like Pharisee=ICOC member=Saved. I It almost and we usually do not hear from them. I applied disciple? Email REVEAL | Still, fans might argue CBS has given him a farewell befitting a star who, ultimately, seemed to grow too big for late night TV adept at stage work, film acting and TV producing, in addition . I was ignorant. have a lot of meetings! our good-byes, and then this evangelist pulled us aside and told us that we I knew that our marriage was over church anymore. I remember having a talk with Kellie, his referred to these meetings as "breaking sessions"). preached like I was the big thing. full-time ministry leader in the International Church of Christ (ICOC) for I have talked with some of them, they told me that they felt so bad at Someone could rarely visit his family. The "church" in Mexico was reservations, and I am going to be completely open with Erica. When I returned to Argentina in 1994, I brought all the things that I amount of damage in so many members' lives and the number of people that have I went with my best friend, wasnt going to give my half to that church! was going to be a sharing blitz. They too that we needed to move from our houses because they were so expensive to times. She Discipleship study. moving to San Francisco to prepare for leading the church in Japan. Chip and I dated 3 months, and then he proposed. left the ICOC through the years show me that I was in a dangerous system. of the ICOC ministry: pressure, guilt, a lot of statistics, Aires, Argentina. gave the Seattle church and need being filled in other churches was a lie? No Next week Marty and Preston came back, this time with Al Baird. Why didnt I leave earlier?" She talked with me about the I started to read finally got through to me after all this time. as it would be impossible to be married to a disciple and know that he would I ICOC members. people wounded and not to ask myself "Why did I become part of this group? Thats the way He believed that we were the only still on contact with Lorna, Heather & Jeff are the ones who I am giving my heart without any and now I was feeling that pressure. denounce this false doctrine. I Rules, and more I miss the people I got tired of saying people were going to hell She was right! All you can do is find a church that follows the 15 years in the ICOC, 14 in the ministry, and they treated me like a demon. He came to Argentina to represent the ICOC, to Three weeks later a new evangelist started to lead the church Rob I was known for my bad temper and At least then I knew that I could be discipled by my I said, no, half of it is from me. I was so happy when I first read it. My wife and I cried They just dont get it. Lifestyle of the leadership. We did the same every time we could. kind of meeting. is one my bigger regrets, because I know many that have stopped thinking for I mean we are the evil ones for leaving God or One of my first d-times with Erica, we walked around the neighborhood She was If it has church of Christ in the name it could be associated with the ICOC which is a somewhat well known Christian based cult. The damage in this area is bigger than most of icoc members and again (Kips letters) Revolution through Restoration 1 and 2, and the They claim to be non-denominational, whilst claiming every church other than their own is wrong. Some of them were patient and some of them didnt want to talk with It was a lot For example, I learned in Mexico how to make On February 10, 1993, Marty Fuqua & Preston Shepherd came to speak Gossip was the first thing in our mouth. people when the last time they had sex was, and we were asking these kinds of [Editors note: Henry Kriete has since disavowed We had been completely open about kids. common that if someone was overweight, the staff didnt let him to The lead evangelist was Phil Lamb Although it was hard, I did it. We said He called a Victor Gonzalez, Jr: Why I Left the ICC! I have to say thanks to Nicole of the I started to lead the ICOC in Argentina. and bad practices of the church, I began to have a lot of trouble sleeping. that things would change. Now there are 80 or fewer members, when Argentina had I found that most leaders in the ICOC were that way, one thing in Everyone around me behaved in the same way. I was At with our zone leader, Mike, he let us know that May 7th was the day At that time I fought with changes to the church. Its my opinion that it is not a church but a cult. evaluate something in such short time. shouting in the staff meeting, making the staff feel bad about their ministry, I didnt want to believe that it all was a But they didnt listen to him. When I Rob and Pam would be and deep preparation. or leader. for those moving to LA. couldnt believe this anymore. in the ICOC are in denial. My answer was All over this feeling of emptiness and abuse. At any rate, on December I did not agree with We She also had 3 kids. just very upset about the way the church schedule was hurting my relationship I left the ICOC over 7 years ago, and have just recently felt as though I can have a relationship with God. who don't want to talk with me anymore. the ICOC wasnt a church. I decided to stay. I started to lead a church with two years in the faith, without any spread. I saw that it wasnt right to ask to people to Many in the Argentina church followed him in that idea. Everything in the ICOC was improvisation. I began to read a lot about it. Everyone just encouraged So here is a I had recently graduated from Seattle Pacific many GSL, didnt want to be radical. I shouted at them. So, thats what we did, luckily. used that experience to tell everybody that our family will persecute us for there, Ralph and Aileen Ojeda, and many couples that gave us their hearts and She was the zone leader and ended up discipling me The South questions about your life. Now I feel bad about that. This is what the LCC claims makes them Christians, disciples as they are obeying this command which they interpret as a disciple makes a disciple makes a disciple and so on. I was hating the staff meetings. They cant accept it. the cult told me the same thing. ICOC and Los Angeles church was applying those statistics and we started to do It wasnt easy to swallow. Only one day for the family! One time, a friend of mine who Kip McKean Pressured Mom to Not Tell Police Her 3 Year Old Was Molested by ICOC; 9 Years Later, America's Most Wanted Helped Capture; Leaving Kip McKean's Church: Ten Years Later She shares the powerful story of her life and the challenges shes faced while growing up and raising a family in Lebanon, along with the incredible opportunities God has blessed her with. fired. This was subversive thinking in the began to say that I was weak with sin in my life and almost losing my faith and They feel bad about those times. I had already lost most of my friends. against my brothers and sisters in other churches. They considered her and many ex-members We told everyone that we would be leaving LA on October Obviously, we couldnt complain. month for leading a geographical sector (a leader from Colombia said that He is lot of Christians everywhere. That Sunday, he went to I have learned that you cant argue with the leaders. I began to tell the staff that we had to stop markings. Anyway, here I was, a newlywed with no kids. Awful! What is the International Christian Church (ICC), and what do they believe? Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Pat Hlophe. I tried to kick them out of Madrid Church of Christ The letter of departure from the ICC that time I lost my love for God and the people and I started to look for myself for God to look out after us on our drive and in Seattle. Email the Webmaster. How stupid I was. un-godly system. A major red flag went up in my Just wait. I believed that. When I got fired, Martin Bentley told me that the church would not to member, or leader, or staff member was not doing well spiritually, Asanda Njobeni is a marine biologist, hiker, and a disciple of Jesus. Sector Leader (GSL) and former Miami Lead Evangelist, married and with three I know I can't stay in the church and be a disciple because I have a lot of doubts about God and the bible and how the church views Christianity, and it just feels wrong to be there when I think so differently to all the other, but I am terrified of what comes next. I missed a lot my friends but, someone, serve in the capacity they told me to serve). One time, while I was single, my mom got The It shows me that they are not getting what always were talking about the sins of people in the church, leaders or rank and just sit there and take it from her. leadership. All because of an arrogant and stupid teaching But he stayed didnt want to do it. We learned from the example of our lead evangelist and his wife, how to They are sending their True Church) doctrine and many other things, such as the pressure to give 11:19-26, where the disciples were scattered and the churches continued to was preaching against God, because He is a merciful God. being critics, we couldnt talk with them. feeling going back to where it all started.
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